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Elderly Kiyai vs Young Murshid


A true story, There was a dialogue between a young Murshid with a 75 years old Kyai, whose son had become a disciple of the Young Murshid.


Kiayi                               : Young man, I heard you taught Haqiqa to my son.

Young Murshid          : Yes, it is true kiayi.

Kiayi                               : Please explain to me, nowadays, my son is always talking about Haqiqa only.

Young Murshid          : What should I explain to you, kiyai?

Kiayi                               : I’ve studied in many great Pondok Pesantren (Islamic boarding school), but until now I have not been able to finish Shariah that I learned. You better contemplate before teaching to my son about Haqiqa. I am an old man, I’ve known so many knowledge in Shariah, and yet still to be completed. So, how can you talk about Haqiqa to my son, in fact he is even older than you? You can talk about it in the future once you graduate to learn Shariah. It is still far away young man. So tell me, what do you know about Haqiqa by now?

Young Murshid          : Indeed kiayi, I am younger than your son. Apparently your learning method and mine are completely different. We are also different in what we are looking for

Kiayi                               : what do you mean, young man? The teachings of Islam has two methods only, they are with the Quran and Al Hadith. While the rest is just frills in my thought

Young murshid          : May I ask, Kiyai?

Kiayi                               : Please, as long as it makes sense.

Young Murshid          : Indeed Kiyai. It shall make sense. Islam, repeat, Islam is a scientific and reasonable. Not mandatory to a religion for those who have no understanding (sense). As We begin, there must be harmony between the verse we studied and common sense. Have you proved Surah An Nuur verse 35?

Kiayi                               : Not yet (Kiai replied with a doubt)

Young Murshid          : Have you proved Surah Ar Rahman verse 17,Kiayi?

Kiayi                               : Not yet (kiayi replied softly and somewhat stumbling)

Young murshid          : Our method is different. Kiayi seeks heaven while I am seeking the creator of heaven or I call the “Inna lillahi wa ina lillahi raji’un” – Origin (from) Allah return (to) Allah. Why shall I put words of ‘from’ and ‘to’ in brackets? That just because of Allah is Most great, Most Covers (Allah covers all), Allah is “everywhere”. If I use the word “from” and “to” will make Allah encompasses being “tied” with in one direction and place, so what is eternal to you, Kiyai?

Kiayi                               : Allah, the eternal one and only

Young Murshid          : Correct. None of His creation is eternal. Heaven as well, it is impermanent. Does not this make you want to rethink, Kiyai?

Kiayi was silent, did not answer.

Young Murshid          : Adam Alaihi Salam, is nobler than us, even failed to compete with the devil and expelled from heaven because the devil is more slippery. Kiayi, who are you if we can compare you to the prophet Adam AS? Prophet Adam AS expelled from heaven but the devil is still in heaven until today. Devil asks Allah to respite devil and Allah granted it. Please read surah Al A’raf verses 14-17, Al Hijr verse 36-38, Shad verse 79-80, Kiyai. So if you are looking for a haven means Kiyai will reborn and return to earth because you want to see rivers that flowing underneath the green mountains, still expecting a beautiful angel. Kiayi still crave lust and yet escape from the cycle of birth and death. How could you sought Allah? You don’t even know how Allah SWT looks, it is because you don’t understand what is Marifatullah, so does the essence. You only understand and “follow” some tales you received since your childhood, and you stored them. You even believed those tales until now without being processed, reviewed and aligned towards your increasing knowledge, intelligence and age. Hopefully Kiayi understands what Allah says in surah Al-Waqi’ah verse 7 to 10. I do not want to fall into the right group among that three groups, because I do not want to associate with low desire again by still expecting gratification of lust in “Heaven”, with beautiful angels. Be advised, there is another group and it is nobler, It is to those who are genuine and sincere, the ones who worship Allah with profitless expectation. You are 75 years old, aren’t you Kiyai?

Kiayi did not answer.

Young Murshid          : Seems like you earned the bonus about 10 years above Indonesian average age,65 years, on my calculation.  May I ask you again, Kiayi?

Kiayi                               : Yes, please !

Young Murshid          : I taught my Murid (students) about Shariah from below and simultaneously also teaches the essence/Haqiqa from top to down. So it meets in the middle. This method will make them understand the Essence (dzat) and objects, as well as other things that are actually the same in discussion with different languages/meaning in Shariah towards Haqiqa. Shariah plus Tariqa also will be quickly completed because the existing alignment of understanding of what was discussed. Have you proven Surah Ath Tariq verse 6, the star which (the light) penetrates, and as well as Surah Ash Shaafaat verse 6, which says stars in the sky near by

Kiayi                               : not yet (he is losing his confidence)

Young Murshid         :Shariah means the rules, isn’t it? Let’s observe an analogy now, It is like cooking in the kitchen. If Shariah is like collecting the term and rules, then you just collect what shall we have for cooking, It requires stove fire, pans, ingredients, etc. Next step is Tariqa. Tariqa is a trip and method, you shall go to market for shopping, cleaning and cutting ingredients to be cooked, flatten spices etc, it is all about whatever needs to be done as a way to cook healthy and right. Then Haqiqa, all the basic ingredients, and spices be cooked and they are mixed, met, united in a skillet or saucepan. Then Marifa, once cooking is done then you get to know the taste, you get to know Marifa, you will say “Oh apparently it feels like tamarind vegetable “. We shall leave sense behind at this level. It was like Rasulullah SAW left Jibril (gabriel) AS behind. Only perfect human can reach this level.                     Up to this moment, Murid already knew and understood what they worship for, Who is Allah SWT, thus the creed is legitimate and not concoct nor just guessing. It is not a perjury like what you have said this long. Have you thought that Rasulullah SAW could not distinguish the word of “witness” and “believe”. Rasulullah SAW’s intelligence is higher than common humans like-ours. Nowadays, you still not graduated Shariah yet in your old age, It is very much endless and time consuming. You still busy collecting requirements (of cooking), when will begin to “cook”, Kiyai? When will you start performing Marifa to Haqiqa? Why you do not choose the short path / method but many benefits and arrived quickly? Will you be able to prove all verses that I have mentioned before you die? Ask your son regarding my supposition, it is “Do you think Chief of Police would be willing to accept the request of a corruptor prisoner to meet him/her in custody?” Of course, the prisoners will only be the butt of other “poor prisoner” and “rogue elements”. Moreover, Allah, the Most High, He certainly does not want to see who has never met and knew HIM before, especially if that person likes despised others despite his own understanding and who still just guess and conjecture without proof. What will Allah ask to creatures like that? What will Allah ask to that creatures on “meeting with allah”? Obviously, it will not understand. What will Allah ask on the Tursina hill? What about Kahfi cave or Hira cave? What about His heaven and hell? Monotype and clichés answers will be given, mostly like ‘somebody said’, ‘I heard this tale since I was a little kid. It is like ‘this, like ‘that’. Everything just around somebody said. I am personally do not want to guess like that, Islam is a religion of sense and science. It is late for you, Kiayi. Young Murshid continued steadily.

The atmosphere became silent, stiff and cold for a while, Kiyai pensive look to the floor. He is so lucky, his son came in and took young Murshid to be introduced to a close relatives, who is himself

May Allah bless us. Amen

This story is translated by fadli Usman from Kiayi Sepuh vs Guru Mursyid Muda

Taken from Warung Kopi group which shared by ES EM

Note ;

Kiyai is a java (in Indonesia)’s term for Moslem priest/ cleric

Murshid is Authorized spiritual guide to his murid.The murshid’s role is to spiritually guide and verbally instruct the disciple on the Sufi path

Sharia is the divine and sacred law of Islam. It makes one distinguish between right and wrong, between forbidden and permissible actions.

Tariqa is the beautification of the Sharia’ whereby whatever one has understood in Sharia’ is made firm in one’s heart under strict spiritual discipline. In this stage one has to have complete trust in God and also have lots of patience in whatever condition God keeps him in. This is the stage where one’s soul is cleansed to receive God’s divine attributes.

Haqiqa is the zenith of Spiritual Perfection. In this stage the attributes of God, the Most Perfect begins to manifest itself in one’s self.

Marifa is the goal to recognize Allah SWT, or to become God-conscious in every state and action. In this state, there is no “time-space”. Here only purity exists and only the pure can come close to God. In this state the seeker does not forget that he (or she) is still a servant and no matter how high he may progress spiritually he still remains the created and God the Creator. This state cannot be expressed through our very limited human faculties.


Pondok Pesantren is Islamic boarding schools in Indonesia. According to one popular tradition, the pesantren education system originated from traditionalJavanese pondokan; dormitories; ashram for Hindu or viharas for Buddhists to learn religious philosophies, martial arts and meditation. Institutions much like them are found across the Islamic world and are called pondok in Malaysia and Southern Thailand and madrasa Islamia (Islamic madrasa) in India and Pakistan and much of the Arabic speaking world. Pesantren aim to deepen knowledge of the Koran particularly through the study of Arabic, traditions of exegesis, the Sayings of the Prophet, law and logic. The term pesantren derives from the root word santri or student — pe-santri-an or the place of the santri


Surah An Nur verse 35

۞ٱللَّهُ نُورُ ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَٱلۡأَرۡضِۚ مَثَلُ نُورِهِۦ كَمِشۡكَوٰةٖ فِيهَا مِصۡبَاحٌۖ ٱلۡمِصۡبَاحُ فِي زُجَاجَةٍۖ ٱلزُّجَاجَةُ كَأَنَّهَا كَوۡكَبٞ دُرِّيّٞ يُوقَدُ مِن شَجَرَةٖ مُّبَٰرَكَةٖ زَيۡتُونَةٖ لَّا شَرۡقِيَّةٖ وَلَا غَرۡبِيَّةٖ يَكَادُ زَيۡتُهَا يُضِيٓءُ وَلَوۡ لَمۡ تَمۡسَسۡهُ نَارٞۚ نُّورٌ عَلَىٰ نُورٖۚ يَهۡدِي ٱللَّهُ لِنُورِهِۦ مَن يَشَآءُۚ وَيَضۡرِبُ ٱللَّهُ ٱلۡأَمۡثَٰلَ لِلنَّاسِۗ وَٱللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَيۡءٍ عَلِيمٞ ٣٥

Allah is the light of the heavens and the earth; a likeness of His light is as a niche in which is a lamp, the lamp is in a glass, (and) the glass is as it were a brightly shining star, lit from a blessed olive-tree, neither eastern nor western, the oil whereof almost gives light though fire touch it not– light upon light– Allah guides to His light whom He pleases, and Allah sets forth parables for men, and Allah is Cognizant of all things.


Surah Ar Rahman verse 17

 رَبُّ ٱلۡمَشۡرِقَيۡنِ وَرَبُّ ٱلۡمَغۡرِبَيۡنِ ١٧ [سورة الـرحـمـن,١٧]

Lord of the East and Lord of the West. [Ar Rahman17]


Surah Al A’raf verses 14-17,

قَالَ أَنظِرۡنِيٓ إِلَىٰ يَوۡمِ يُبۡعَثُونَ ١٤  قَالَ إِنَّكَ مِنَ ٱلۡمُنظَرِينَ ١٥ قَالَ فَبِمَآ أَغۡوَيۡتَنِي لَأَقۡعُدَنَّ لَهُمۡ صِرَٰطَكَ ٱلۡمُسۡتَقِيمَ ١٦ ثُمَّ لَأٓتِيَنَّهُم مِّنۢ بَيۡنِ أَيۡدِيهِمۡ وَمِنۡ خَلۡفِهِمۡ وَعَنۡ أَيۡمَٰنِهِمۡ وَعَن شَمَآئِلِهِمۡۖ وَلَا تَجِدُ أَكۡثَرَهُمۡ شَٰكِرِينَ ١٧ [سورة الأعراف,١٤-١٧]

He said: Respite me until the day when they are raised up.He said: Surely you are of the respited ones. He said: As Thou hast caused me to remain disappointed I will certainly lie in wait for them in Thy straight path. Then I will certainly come to them from before them and from behind them, and from their right-hand side and from their left-hand side; and Thou shalt not find most of them thankful. [QS Al A’raf,14-17]


Surah Al Hijr verse 36-38,

 قَالَ رَبِّ فَأَنظِرۡنِيٓ إِلَىٰ يَوۡمِ يُبۡعَثُونَ ٣٦ قَالَ فَإِنَّكَ مِنَ ٱلۡمُنظَرِينَ ٣٧  إِلَىٰ يَوۡمِ ٱلۡوَقۡتِ ٱلۡمَعۡلُومِ ٣٨ [سورة الحجر,٣٦-٣٨]

He said: My Lord! then respite me till the time when they are raised. He said: So surely you are of the respited ones. Till the period of the time made known. [QS Al Hijr,36-38]

Surah Shad verse 79-80

 قَالَ رَبِّ فَأَنظِرۡنِيٓ إِلَىٰ يَوۡمِ يُبۡعَثُونَ ٧٩ قَالَ فَإِنَّكَ مِنَ ٱلۡمُنظَرِينَ ٨٠ [سورة ص,٧٩-٨٠]

He said: My Lord! then respite me to the day that they are raised. He said: Surely you are of the respited ones, [Sad,79-80]


Surah Al Waqi’ah verse 7-10

وَكُنتُمۡ أَزۡوَٰجٗا ثَلَٰثَةٗ ٧ فَأَصۡحَٰبُ ٱلۡمَيۡمَنَةِ مَآ أَصۡحَٰبُ ٱلۡمَيۡمَنَةِ ٨ وَأَصۡحَٰبُ ٱلۡمَشۡ‍َٔمَةِ مَآ أَصۡحَٰبُ ٱلۡمَشۡ‍َٔمَةِ ٩  وَٱلسَّٰبِقُونَ ٱلسَّٰبِقُونَ ١٠ [سورة الواقيـة,٧-١٠]

 And you shall be three sorts. Then (as to) the companions of the right hand; how happy are the companions of the right hand!. And (as to) the companions of the left hand; how wretched are the companions of the left hand! And  the foremost are the foremost,

Surah At Thariq 6 verse

خُلِقَ مِن مَّآءٖ دَافِقٖ ٦ [سورة الـطارق,٦]

He is created of water pouring forth [At Tariq6]


Surah Ash Shafaat verse 6

إِنَّا زَيَّنَّا ٱلسَّمَآءَ ٱلدُّنۡيَا بِزِينَةٍ ٱلۡكَوَاكِبِ ٦ [سورة الصّافّات,٦]

Surely We have adorned the nearest heaven with an adornment, the stars, [As Saffat6]


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